Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 125 of the podcast my name is

Kerry Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

Well today we have David

can't get him back on the podcast. We joke around about it a little bit. He's one of my favorite leaders and honestly one of my favorite thinkers in the church today.

I spent over an hour with him dissecting this massive study that he and his

organization, he's the president of the Barda group, have done and it's really they survey, believe this

or not, 14,000 pastors.

That's right, some of you were probably surveyed for this.

I mean, it's pretty huge.

They surveyed 14,000 pastors in the United States and David is just released what he calls the state of the pastor and it is a state of the nation for the church and there's some really really surprising findings so if you care about the

church if you are a pastor if you care about pastors if you're on church staff if you're

an elder board member or governing board member I think you you're going to find this fascinating.

Some good news, some alarming news along the way, but one of my favorite episodes and one of my

favorite conversations in a while too, I think it really really helps us

see where the church is at and you know I'm passionate about that like you are.

Hey I want to thank everybody who jumped in last week for the registration opening of the Canadian Church Leaders Conference.

I do another podcast and actually it's called the Canadian Church Leaders Podcast, and we just try to help Canadian

Church Leaders reach people and we're doing a conference in June. So you can go to

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