Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody, and welcome to episode 79 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff.

I hope our time together today helps you lead

like never before.

Today I'm gonna sit down with Justin Dean

and we're gonna talk about something that my guess is if you're a church leader or even if churches remotely on your radar screen

You talked about this two years ago and probably since and that is what went down at Mars Hill Church in Seattle in 2014.

And Justin and I actually met a few months ago a mutual friend introduced us

and I got talking to him actually just about online world and social media and what he was doing now,

only to discover he was the communications director at Mars Hill, not only in 2014, but in the years leading up to it.

And what happened was Mars Hill Church kind of 2014 but in the years leading up to it.

And what happened was Mars Hill Church kind of collapsed.

It imploded.

It shut down in 2014.

And there was a lot of conversation about it

without giving much away.

Justin and I talk about that.

Last year, we talk about actually the good things that happened,

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