Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey, everybody.

And welcome to episode 78 of the podcast.

My name is Curie Newhoff.

I hope our time together today helps you lead

like never before.

I think it's going to.

I'm so thrilled to have a previous guest back. If you were with us at the very beginning and some of you

were you'll know that episode too is Perry Noble and Perry in that episode

shared just a really heart-wrenching, open, honest, and at times actually is only Perry can be a very funny story about a very dark period in his life where not only was he burnt out but in moments felt like taking his own life.

Not a laughing matter but his only Perry can do. He talked about it in the most helpful and

engaging way. One of the most raw interviews I've ever done and also one of my favorites and one of the most downloaded in the history of this podcast.

If you never caught Perry on round one, you gotta go back.

Just go back into iTunes or into Stitcher or Tune in Radio and find episode 2 or just go to

CaryNewhoff.com slash episode 2 and listen to Perry's story. Then come

back and listen to this because this time we catch him he's doing quite well.

Perry like leaders would he battled back against that and he got the help he needed and

managed to keep leading his church and new spring keeps growing and he's got a brand new book called the most

excellent way to lead and in this book it's fascinating he sent me an early copy it's

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