Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody, and welcome to episode 33 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff.

I really hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

And my guest today is, I think somebody you're going to hear an awful lot of over the next few years.

His name is Caleb

Coltenbach and Caleb and I have gotten to know each other a little bit over the

last few years, mostly just through Facebook and chatting online and on the

phone and now via this interview. Actually he's invited me to go out and speak at his

Church, Discovery Church in Simi Valley, California. So I'm really excited about that next year.

Caleb has a fascinating story. In fact, he's got a book coming out on it called messy grace. It'll be out this fall.

And he has a fascinating story and the story kind of goes like this. Was not raised in a Christian home.

His parents had like a distant Christian memory, but it wasn't something that was really a big part of their lives.

And when Caleb was two years old, both of his parents came out as gay and they divorced and they pursued same-sex relationships

independently of each other they actually moved to different states and so he was

not only a kid who split his life between two parents, but he was growing up now with gay parents who were not together anymore.

If that wasn't interesting enough, when Caleb was a teenager, he actually decided to go to Bible study because he wanted to disprove Christianity.

His mom in particular was very, very hostile to Christianity and how they hated gays and lesbians

and you should never be a Christian and Christians are the worst and of course he rebelled and actually went to Bible study.

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