Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 24 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff.

I'm so glad that you're here and I really hope this time together this week helps you lead

like never before.

I'm so excited because my guest today for episode 24 is David Kinnaman and David is a brilliant leader

You're gonna figure that out very early into the podcast he's got his finger on the pulse of not only the church but culture like I think very few other people do he just

sees the future before it happens and that's one of the reasons I love hanging out

with him and he is president of the Barna Group, the majority owner of that.

They do extensive research on trends and what's happening in the church, what's happening in

culture, so he is chock full of insights.

But one of the other reasons I really really love David is

he's just a great guy we became friends four or five years ago I've actually

stayed at his house he has an amazing family and cool thing he lives in an urban setting in California, but he's got chickens in his backyard. Like, you got to be cool if you have chickens in your backyard, right? Anyway, so,

Dave is just just a fantastic person. If you've ever ever met him you know what I'm talking about

and he really cares passionately about the church so I think it's a it's a great marriage of

leadership insight and heart for the church.

And like you, I'm just trying to figure out how to lead a church.

That's what I do full time.

And one of the subjects that's come up over and over again recently is just the issue of why people

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