Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhaw.

Well, hey everybody, welcome to episode 25 of the podcast we kind of made it like 25

that's quarter century or something isn't it I feel like there should be like some

cool music under this or something.

Anyway, my name is Kiri Nuhaf. Thanks for being along for the ride. Whether you've just joined us or whether you've been there from the very very beginning back to Andy Stanley episode one. Remember those days? How many of you remember that? It's

been an incredible ride and what a thrill to be able to bring you all kinds of

leaders, people that I really appreciate, people I really admire, and today you're going to meet Jenny

Katrin and if you don't know Jenny man you are really going to enjoy getting to

meet her she is currently serving out at Menlo Park Presbyterian Church with John Ortberg as an executive

pastor and prior to that was at crosspoint church in Nashville with Pete Wilson

and was there from the days and she's going to tell you the story I mean

wasn't very glamorous they were in a

cafeteria they were trying to do portable church and now it's like 5,000 people on

multiple campuses and the whole deal she was there for the whole ride and Jenny is one of those people who serves behind the scenes.

You may not know her name but she has been indispensable to the story of those churches

and there are thousands of church leaders out there. of those what we're going to talk about today is Jenny helps us navigate because she's

she's smart I mean she's a really strategic thinker and she helps us navigate the

changes that you need to make in order to accommodate the growth that you're experiencing.

See, I think a lot of the time churches kind of go through a bit of a growth curve and then

they're like, we don't know what to do, we don't know how to organize, we don't know

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