Welcome back to Drilled.

I'm Amy Westerville and today to kick off the new year, we're talking to longtime progressive

organizer Max Berger about two really big questions for climate.

How do you build an effective movement and what do we do about the unraveling of democracy

in America?

I wanted to talk to Berger in particular about these questions because he's been involved

with some of the most effective social movements in recent history, the Sunrise movement and

Occupy Wall Street, and he's also worked in politics for a wide range of folks including

Howard Dean, Cory Bush and Elizabeth Warren.

They Berger works with more perfect union and advocacy group that helps working people

be seen and heard in media coverage.

We spoke back in November 2021 for a wrap up episode of Seen on Radio's climate season

focused on what needs to be done now to avoid the most catastrophic impacts of the climate

crisis.

I'll link to that episode in the show notes, it's well worth a listen, but I also wanted

to bring folks this longer conversation because I think it's just so relevant to the task

at hand as we start a new year.

Hope you enjoy the conversation, it's coming up right after this quick break.

So I was hoping maybe you could start with just a little bit of your own personal background.

I know you've been an organizer in progressive spaces for a really long time.

Thank you for having me on, it's a pleasure to be on.

Yeah, so I have been doing progressive and left politics for what now turns out to be

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