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Depresh Mode with John Moe

Claude Steele on Churn, the Awkward Social Distress That Divides Us All

Depresh Mode with John Moe

Maximum Fun

Health & Fitness, John Moe, Interview, Comedy Interviews, Comedy, Mental Health

4.9854 Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

The eminent social psychologist explains the effects of a situation you have definitely found yourself in.

Transcript

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0:00.0

There is more to mental health sometimes than going to a psychiatrist, getting a professional

0:06.7

diagnosis, maybe one that involves acronyms, comes with medical plan to treat, pills to take.

0:13.4

Granted, those things are important and should be looked into it. Please do get to a doctor

0:18.8

if you're in any way concerned. Find out if you have a diagnosis

0:22.3

with an acronym and a prescription. But yeah, a mental health issue could be something other

0:28.8

than that. It could be a lot of things. It could be something that just makes your life

0:34.0

harder. A psychological phenomenon, a thing that messes you up a little bit,

0:40.4

that you could address and maybe take care of. That's good to recognize too,

0:45.5

so you can know what you're dealing with and make a plan. Like, churn. I don't mean in the

0:53.6

butter sense. I'll explain. It's depression mode. I'm John Moe. I'm glad you're here.

1:02.8

Claude Steele, pretty accomplished guy. He's a social psychologist and emeritus professor at Stanford University,

1:14.7

endowed Dean Emeritus at the Stanford University Graduate School of Education,

1:19.9

professor in the social sciences emeritus, former executive vice chancellor and provost at Berkeley,

1:30.3

former provost of Columbia University.

1:35.6

Claude Steele is known for his work in the area of stereotype threat. That's where people feel themselves at risk of conforming to a stereotype of their social group.

1:42.8

He wrote about stereotype threat in the acclaimed 2010 book,

1:46.9

Whistling Vivaldi, which used the idea of stereotype threat to explain minority underperformance

1:52.7

in higher education. Claude Steele's new book is Churn, the tension that divides us and how to

2:00.1

overcome it. This book also addresses

2:02.6

stereotypes of all kinds, race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, talks about the anxiety

2:09.2

and distress of being judged as the summation of the stereotypes of your group, how that might

2:16.9

lead to other mental health issues you're

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