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Well, hello and welcome along to the show. I'm Justin Briarly. This is the program, bringing you

conversations that matter every week. Unbelievable. And a really

interesting one today on when leaders fall. And I'll introduce my two guests in a very short

moment. Let's dive into today's debate. Well, today on the show, we're asking, what do we do? How do we respond in terms of the recent high-profile scandals that have come out among certain church leaders and ministries?

What do we do when leaders fall? In recent years, a number of high-profile Christian leaders have stepped down from ministry, or their legacy has certainly been tainted posthumously by allegations of sexual impropriety.

In the last year alone, it was revealed that Jean Vanier, the late founder of Larch, had abused his position to develop sexual relationships with women in his community.

There were allegations of sexual immorality that emerged around the late

Ravi Zacharias who died in May this year. And over the summer, Jerry Falwell Jr., then

President of Liberty University in Virginia, was embroiled in allegations of inappropriate

behaviour. And most recently, Carl Lentz, who led Hillsong, New York and acted as a pastor to various celebrities, was fired by Hillsong following revelations of unfaithfulness.

Well, there are more we could mention going further back, but the picture isn't great, is it?

And perhaps the most pertinent to those I've mentioned to this show, at least, is the late apologist Ravi Zacharias.

In October, Rzeem released a statement which read, having read recently reported allegations

against the late Ravi Zacharias, we're shocked and deeply distressed by them.

While these allegations are not consistent with the man many have known for decades,

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