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The Meaning Crisis Explained...Is Modernity Killing Meaning? John Vervaeke and Malcolm Guite hosted by John Nelson

Unbelievable?

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Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.72.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

In this Unbelievable conversation, host John Nelson tackles the “meaning crisis” that’s been bubbling up across the internet: the rise in loneliness, anxiety, addiction and a sense of cultural fragmentation and the growing hunger for depth, belonging and transcendence. John Vervaeke (University of Toronto) argues that modern life suffers from a “propositional tyranny”, over-privileging facts and analysis while neglecting other ways of knowing procedural, perspectival and participatory that bind us to reality, one another, and ourselves. Poet and priest Malcolm Guite agrees, tracing the crisis to modernity’s split between mind and world, and making a passionate case for imagination, myth and poetry as truth-bearing, meaning-making faculties. Together they explore logos, “religio” as binding, the limits of “spiritual but not religious”, and why practices, community and pilgrimage may be part of the way back. John Vervaeke and Malcolm Guite Galahad and The Grail [https://amzn.to/4pxU93F] John's platform website can be found here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke X profile: https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke John's latest book: https://amzn.to/3Udpgox Subscribe & Support 👉 Support thought-provoking conversations and help keep the show going at www.premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate💡 🎧 Never miss an episode! Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast a  www.premier.plus/unbelievable 🎙️ 🔗 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes - absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 📢 Follow us

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0:00.0

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0:30.3

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podcast.

1:02.2

Hello and welcome to Unbelievable, the show that brings Christians and non-Christians together

1:07.4

to discuss all things theology, philosophy and culture.

1:11.6

I'm John Nelson and today on the show we're discussing a phenomenon that everyone is talking

1:16.6

about online, the so-called crisis of meaning.

1:20.8

What is it?

1:21.8

Where did it come from?

1:23.1

And how might we solve it?

1:25.0

There are few people today who have thought more about this meaning crisis than today's

1:30.5

guests.

1:31.6

John Viveki is a cognitive scientist, psychologist and philosopher at the University of Toronto

1:36.1

and is co-author of Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, which you can also find online as a

1:42.3

lecture series.

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