Hey friends, this summer we wanted to do something really special and give you a behind-the-scenes look at some of our classic episodes.

But before we do that, we have a quick announcement. We're planning a conference called Gather.

There will be this September 15th and 16th in Pro-Yutah, and the event is being performed by a coalition of people that exist in the LGBTQIresane space.

Yeah, it's going to be Christ-centered and church-positive, and it will also be really expansive, including people on a variety of paths.

So some of the speakers we have planned are Steve Young, Tom Christopherson, Liv Mendoza Haynes, Megan Decker, Jesse Wilson, Michael Soto, Allison Dayton, Ben Shalatti, and Charlie Bird.

It's going to be great. You can get more details at gather-conference.com and come and gather with us this September.

And hope you enjoy these classic episodes.

All right, Ben, today we are talking about season one, episode 11. How do I reconcile my patriarchal blessing with Richard Bushman?

And I'm super excited to do this. This is kind of like a new, a new little season we're doing on questions from the closet.

Yeah, I know. So I, we listened to the episode, did you?

Yeah. I was curious to see the judgment.

Well, this has actually been one of my favorite episodes, but I hadn't listened to it for a long time.

Yeah.

And it was fun because I feel like we were still like figuring out the tone of the podcast back then.

Totally.

It didn't sound as much, it didn't sound as conversational as I think our episodes, you know?

Well, yeah, one of my first thoughts as I was listening was like, we were doing a really good job for being such new podcasters.

And also we are way better now.

Like it was a little bit...

The granical.

Yeah, it was a little bit mechanical.

Yeah. So I've got some background on how we got Richard Bushman.

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