Welcome to The Lost Debate, a show for political eclectics. I'm Robbie Gupta. In a little bit,

we're going to hear from Anton Barbara Kay, who is a distinguished fellow at the Center on Privacy and Technology

at Georgetown Law and the author of a web of our own making. He wrote a piece recently in the Atlantic

all about how drug cartels are becoming social media influencers. So we talk about that topic. We talk a

little about Elon versus Trump. And then we just

also talk about like this constant topic that we've been discussing on this podcast around the

flattening of culture and the lack of distinction in the era of the rapid, rapid dissemination

of new content on the internet. So we'll get to that.

But before we get there,

there's obviously a lot of questions posed by what's happening in Los Angeles today.

I'm recording this Tuesday, June 10th at 1145 a.m.

And there's so much I don't know about what's happening over there.

So I want to be really careful because I think it's in these moments that people say things that they tend to regret.

I think of June 2020, for example, how people were characterizing the protests slash things that would be on protesting during that period of time.

I think there was the whole Kyle Rittenhouse situation that I think took some time to figure out. And those kind of like,

like whatever they were, like skirmishes slash in that case, like a death on the streets,

alleged murder on the streets of our towns. It's always hard to know in real time what's going on right now.

And some of this is related to some of the stuff I talked to Anton about,

which is you're often relying upon people sharing videos online.

And sometimes you're like, well, when was that video?

Was that today?

Was that yesterday?

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