And I think of, honestly, I think of like severe suffering that has nothing to do with what I'm doing.

I think of my brother who's, you know, like risks his life or our country.

You know, I just think of people who don't even have the opportunity to exercise because their lives are just a lot more difficult and

less privileged than my own.

So it's like a convoluted way to like keep going in the real darkest points of competition.

If you want to go to that place of like deep physical angst, here's your shot.

You got everything right here laid out in front of you and I think it's so cool I will never not love racing I don't think

because to tap into those wells it's really a privilege like we're literally trying

to explore the depths of our personal human potential and the ultra-running it is so

cool and raw.

Welcome to the show, episode 13 of the Bill Yang Podcast. Welcome to my little corner of the internet where I've laid out the mat for you guys and set a little place at the table for all of you to come in and

enjoy yourself.

So please stay a while.

It's good to have you back whether you're a returning guest or if this is your first time

welcome one and all.

For those not in the know, my name is Billy Yang.

I am a runner.

I am a filmmaker and of course most recently I am a podcaster.

Oh boy okay so this is a super-sized episode so let's not waste too much time here.

My guest today is none other than Patagonia and La Sportiba

athlete and outdoor activist Claire Gallagher. Claire in a relatively short period of time has gone

on to accomplish a great deal in both the

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