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You know, I just liked playing somebody, a woman who was so muscular and unapologetically commanding and brazen because we never get to be that way.

And I just suddenly had like full license.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 16 years, Debbie has been talking with creative people about what they do,

how they got to be, who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Claire Danes talks about her long career in what she learned about spies from playing

one.

A lot of times spies marry spies, right?

For obvious reasons.

Same reason actors marry actors.

Here's Debbie, first with a couple of messages,

then her interview with Claire Dades.

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