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You know when people die and the pictures at the funeral

or sometimes younger?

Like once they die, they're ageless.

It's perfectly fine to have a picture of her at 20 or 30 or 40.

I understood that of her before she passed,

that that's how she saw herself and that's how she wanted to be seen.

This is design matters with Debbie Milman.

For 16 years, Debbie has been talking with creative people about what they do,

how they got to be, who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Bisa Butler talks about her career and about how making a quilted portrait

of her grandmother led to an artistic breakthrough.

I think they could see it and I could feel it too like I got it.

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