Hey there and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

flipping through scrapbooks of your old band, and wondering just how you gained 40 pounds, or else a scrappy upstart, sitting in a van

for eight hours and then personally drinking a case of beer every night while maintaining

the exact same body weight. This is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the last Friday of May 2019.

Thank you for joining us. This month's episode is brought to you by

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I'm old enough to remember when you had to pay somebody called a web developer to get a website made.

What is a web developer, you ask? I'll tell you. A web developer was a guy named Andre that you found on Craigslist,

who drove a tricked out Nissan Cube, and who would ask you what the name of your band was just so that he could tell you

that he'd never heard of you before and also so that he could tell you that he was once in a

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