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The Russell Moore Show

Chuck Klosterman on Football

The Russell Moore Show

Russell Moore

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2026

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

What does American football reveal about who we are and who we’re becoming? Watch the video of this episode on YouTube here. Russell Moore talks with cultural critic and essayist Chuck Klosterman about his new book Football and what the sport tells us about masculinity, community, memory, violence, and belief. From Roman gladiator games to Super Bowl halftime shows, and from church attendance to television economics, Klosterman argues that football is more than entertainment: it’s one of the last truly shared experiences in American life—and one that may not survive the century. Even for listeners who don’t care about football at all, this conversation is about the deeper question beneath the spectacle: what happens when a culture’s rituals outlast its imagination? Moore and Klosterman discuss football as a made-for-television phenomenon, the way fandom shapes identity and irrationality, and how football functions as an unofficial secular holiday—one that churches once resisted, then accommodated, and eventually surrendered to. Along the way, they examine agency, violence, masculinity, and why moral critiques of football provoke more outrage than theological disagreements ever could. The conversation widens to include politics, class, religion, and even Billy Joel—ending with the question: when future generations judge our era by one piece of football culture, what will they see? Keep up with Russell: Sign up for the weekly newsletter⁠ where Russell shares thoughtful takes on big questions, offers a Christian perspective on life, and recommends books and music he's enjoying. Submit a question for the show at ⁠questions@russellmoore.com⁠  Subscribe to the Christianity Today Magazine: Special offer for listeners of The Russell Moore Show: ⁠Click here⁠ for 25% off a subscription —  “The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Producer: Clarissa Moll Host: Russell Moore Producer: Leslie Thompson Associate Producer: McKenzie Hill Senior Producer: Matt Stevens Audio engineering by Kevin Morris Video producer: Sam Cedar Theme Song: “Citizens” by Jon Guerra Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It doesn't matter if it's not important to you.

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It's important in a way other sports are not.

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today.

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Here, we look for signposts in a strange time by standing fast to what really matters, kingdom over culture wars,

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truth over tribalism, pilgrimage over partisanship, sanity over cynicism, witness over winning,

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and Christ over everything. Today we have a conversation to do just that.

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We're a couple weeks out from the Super Bowl, and I'm thinking about the Roman Empire.

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Because one of the things that you'll notice, if you look through the early Christian

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documents for really the first 300 years or so of the church,

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one of the things that keeps coming up,

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gladiator games, and for several reasons. The early Christians said, this makes people violent. It causes

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them to find enjoyment in the suffering of other people. It's a way for the empire to kind of bind people together and distract

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them from the things that are really important. Augustine talks about his friend Olympius, who

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