All right, ladies and gentlemen, you are in for a treat.

In fact, I know you're in it because in the process of doing this interview, I got so enraptured with the conversation.

I forgot to tell you early on that you are going to want to stick around because I'm going to be talking about a couple of conferences that are coming up where you're going to get to see our guests for today in person.

We got the great homeschool convention showing up in Cincinnati, Ohio, which is going to be

taking place in April 2026, and the 1613 men's conference also taking place in Cincinnati in July

of 2026.

And the link in the description, you're going to see everything you need in order to go and get

your tickets and you're going to want to get them quick because today's guest today's guest alone

is worth the trip to both of these conferences but there's going to be so many other speakers that

we're going to talk about a little bit later in the episode again I was just I was so enthralled

with the conversation I forgot to tell you this up front.

So I'm doing it now.

And now let's get to the episode.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, Merry Christmas.

That's right.

And what makes it so merry?

Because after all, I've been told to include by people that I love listening to historians like Mike Duncan that,

you know, you Christians talk about Christmas, but really you've just ripped it off from the

pagans, right? This is just Saturnalia or like pretty much every other Christian holiday.

You guys just did a good job of co-opting that which already was and just using it for yourself.

Essentially, you've colonized all of the good holidays. Well, that's always bothered me.

And so I've done some of my own reading on it, but I decided that today, for this Christmas,

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