If we just get a Christian prince, all of our problems will be solved. That's what we have heard in recent days in the Christian world. There's been a very lively conversation about Christian nationalism

that I've engaged, others have engaged, and it's a very worthy subject. In fact, the question of

church and state and how the church engages in interfaces with the state is not in any way a new question.

And the idea that there should be some kind of strong linkage between church and

states such that there is a Christian nation in view in a place like America is not in any

way a new idea.

Since the Protestant Reformation, in fact, Christians in the Protestant tradition have thought

a ton about this and have come up with a range

of ideas and options and positions. If you go back well before the Protestant Reformation in the

16th century, you'll know that there was largely a fusion of church and state that prevailed, for

example, in Europe in the Catholic situation. So this is not a new question. There are new kinds of

solutions and proposals being offered today, again, under the banner of Christian nationalism.

And that debate has waxed hot and it has been calmer. And there's a lot that people have tried to

sort out. And I myself have dipped my oar in at different points.

And we've talked about this on this very humble little podcast.

Today, in our summer series, I'm in another recording location that I cannot disclose to you,

or else I would have to send agents after you.

Today, we're going to consider a fresh angle of the

discussion surrounding Christian nationalism today. And it's going to be a little bit biblical,

but more historical. We're going to talk about the 30 years war of Europe in the 17th century.

Now, that is not something that people have given a lot of attention to. I haven't seen barely anybody

on social media, for example, reference the 30 years war, the wars of religion, as they're

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