Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether

you're a grizzled veteran, scalping tickets to your own reunion tour concerts on Stubhub or else a scrappy upstart, bribing your friends with free beer to come to your gig, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Music speaks most an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing. Hey everybody, thanks for joining us.

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