Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

be moaning the use of AI while your estate is using it to replace your entire touring band, or else a scrappy upstart.

Be moaning the use of session musicians who cost full scale.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of May 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

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