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Witness History

Charleston church shooting

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

On 17 June 2015, white supremacist Dylann Roof attended a bible group at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in the United States. As it was ending, the 21-year-old started shooting and killed nine people.

Polly Sheppard was one of the survivors. She called 911 whilst hiding from Roof. The shootings at the historic African-American church shocked a nation already too used to gun violence. President Barack Obama delivered the eulogy at one of the victim’s funerals and spontaneously started singing Amazing Grace. Ten years on since that day, Polly now 80, tells her harrowing story to Uma Doraiswamy.

Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more.

Recent episodes explore everything from football in Brazil, the history of the ‘Indian Titanic’ and the invention of air fryers, to Public Enemy’s Fight The Power, subway art and the political crisis in Georgia. We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: visionary architect Antoni Gaudi and the design of the Sagrada Familia; Michael Jordan and his bespoke Nike trainers; Princess Diana at the Taj Mahal; and Görel Hanser, manager of legendary Swedish pop band Abba on the influence they’ve had on the music industry. You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, such as the time an Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes at the President of the United States in protest of America’s occupation of Iraq; the creation of the Hollywood commercial that changed advertising forever; and the ascent of the first Aboriginal MP.

(Photo: A memorial outside the Emanuel AME Church. Credit: Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images)

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:03.0

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0:07.0

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0:09.9

Join me, Ryland, on my new podcast,

0:12.2

as I ask experts and a few familiar faces what love really means.

0:16.3

Because it turns out it's a bit more complicated than happily ever after.

0:20.6

You should think of it as the daily commitment you make to someone that you care about.

0:25.2

Ryland, how to be in love. Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:33.9

This is the witness history podcast from the BBC World Service with me, Umadoury.

0:40.0

It's 10 years since white supremacist Dylan Roof attended a Bible group at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, in the United States.

0:48.3

The 21-year-old started shooting. He killed nine people. One of the survivors was Polly Shepard.

0:55.2

She tells a horrific story.

0:57.5

He heard me praying while he was shooting,

1:00.0

so he knew that I was alive all the time.

1:03.2

And he just stopped all of a sudden.

1:05.6

And he asked me, did I shoot you yet?

1:08.7

And I said, no.

1:11.1

And he said, I'm not going to.

1:13.2

I'm going to leave you here to tell the story.

1:16.8

Been to the church all day, I had an insurance meeting early in the morning

1:20.7

with Pastor Pinkney, and we had an air-conditioned meeting,

1:24.6

and then we had a budget meeting also.

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