Hey everybody, welcome to your undivided attention.

Aiz and I are trying something a little bit different this time because we're living in a new world

with the coronavirus and it's moving very quickly and it's also Earth Day and we wanted to have a specific conversation about climate change and especially how it relates to the coronavirus.

There's a lot of parallels and similarities and many people don't know this but you know one of the reasons we started the Center for Humane Technology was our concern that you can't actually address a problem like climate change without fixing the way technology platforms organize our reality and our sense of agency and action.

So today we're going to have Tony Lizerowitz from the Yale Center for Climate

Communications on to talk about what lessons we can learn

in how we design technology to support positive, optimistic, empowering, coordinated

action on the problem.

I'm Tristan Harris.

I'm Isaraskin and this is your undivided attention.

So my basic pathway is that I started as a major in international relations

and I studied Cold War politics. I really thought I had a long career ahead of me

trying to keep the world from blowing itself up with nuclear weapons. So I did a lot of studying

of the

studying of the Soviet Union and China and US nuclear policy.

Six months before I graduated, however, the Berlin Wall came down and my

international relations degree turned into a history degree overnight.

And so I wasn't really sure what I was going to do at that point. And so I ended up following a friend of out to of all places Aspen, Colorado. I thought I was going to just be a ski bomb, travel around the world, you know, enjoy my 20s and instead I ended up getting a real job at a little place called the Aspen Global Change Institute, which is a world-class institute that brings together many of the world's top climate change and global environmental scientists.

And it was, I spent four years there, I ultimately became the education coordinator,

and it was an incredible experience working with some of the most brilliant minds in climate change.

And this was in the year 1990, so relatively early in at least the public phase of the issue.

And it was just this incredible education.

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