Change or Die
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War on the Rocks
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🗓️ 10 November 2020
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
The successful military is the one that adapts and innovates. Dave Barno, Nora Benhahel, and Frank Hoffman join Ryan to talk about how the U.S. military changes, or fails to do so. They have two new books on the subject between them: Adaptation under Fire: How Militaries Change in Wartime, by Dave and Nora is out now. And Mars Adapting: Military Change During War, by Frank, will be out soon.
(This was recorded before the election results were projected)
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| 0:00.0 | You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on strategy, defense, and foreign affairs. |
| 0:15.8 | My name is Ryan Evans. |
| 0:16.8 | I'm the CEO of War in the rocks. |
| 0:18.5 | In this episode, talk to my good friends Dave Barno, Nora Bensahal, and Frank Hoffman. They have two books out between the three of them |
| 0:26.4 | on military innovation and adaptation that you should both buy, the information's in the show |
| 0:30.2 | notes, and in this episode we have a really rich conversation about how |
| 0:34.0 | military organizations change or fail to. I've known all of you for many years |
| 0:41.6 | now and it's been great to see such good |
| 0:44.6 | friends of mine all attracted to the same topic obviously nor and Dave you two |
| 0:48.4 | are co-authored but frank you as well have been working on this for a while |
| 0:51.0 | and that's military adaptation, how US forces |
| 0:55.1 | change when they find themselves in new or unexpected circumstances. |
| 0:58.6 | What attracted you all to this topic? |
| 1:01.3 | Nor do you want to start? |
| 1:03.4 | The reason why we've spent so many years researching and writing this book is because we're |
| 1:07.6 | concerned that the US military may not be adaptable for the challenges it faces in the future. |
| 1:13.0 | We have been concerned coming out of the recent wars |
| 1:16.0 | that the US military was not as adaptable |
| 1:19.0 | as it might have needed to be, |
| 1:20.0 | particularly at the more senior levels of the institution and the theater command level. |
| 1:26.7 | And we think that the future security environment is undergoing a tremendous amount of change. |
| 1:31.7 | Things are moving at light speed in many cases. |
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