Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, S Nation and welcome to another episode

of surviving the survivor.

This of court is great Scott to True Crime Phil

a show so good Shakaalaka. It happens every single Friday and this is no exception

other than the fact that today's show was earlier and wildfire. I am delirious. This was a very long week, an

exception long week. Yesterday started at a bank, Bank of America and I was there way too long and it ended with Carm and I

booking travel for our book tour and what Carm did not understand through this process that should have taken 20 minutes but took three and a half hours

Was that half the time I was speaking to

Automated a customer service reps and she would say,

yeah, like she would scream my name in the middle of it or she would take a

face time call or she would play with her computer and every single time the

customer service robot would be like,

I cannot understand you, Mr. Waldman.

And this went on for hours and hours.

It got so bad that at one point I had to bite down on a credit card just to relieve my stress and

it left a little bit of a bite mark which Phil Waters back in the hey day if he was looking

for evidence that would have been what he calls a clue why

would there be a bite mark on a credit card and Phil would probably say man this son snapped

out of frustration.

Look, who's biting on the credit card.

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