Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode

of Surviving The Survivor, the podcast

that promises to bring you the very best guess in all of true crime even if sometimes like yesterday

and today those best guests are a little late at least we've got one ready and

ready to go and that of course is Doug McGregor I'm going to introduce in a moment.

Biggie here with a if I can get to it like this comment who do you guys think is going to find the real killer now that

OJ died of course a historic day of sorts OJ Simpson passing away today almost

hard to believe 76 years old.

One time he was one of the most likable guys on planet Earth.

The guy was a famous football player, number 32 for the Buffalo Bills, was doing all kinds of

hurts commercials or was it Davis? I think it was Avis, I can't remember, and was it

hurts? It was Harts, it was it was hurts I don't know

Davis my dad always used to quote Davis because they said try harder my dad always say hey

try harder but either way you get the idea he was doing Monday night football and then came

uh Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and he will forever be known as a man that got away with murder.

That is a case with overwhelming evidence and that will be his legacy and Elena Garcia says it the way I guess I would say it but I can't say it

because I'm hosting the show but what a way to go out. Still obviously believing that he was somehow innocent of this. I think he believed that in his own mind in some twisted crazy way and Fred Goldman today who I once met and is a great guy

Said he's thinking about his son Ron Goldman today. He's not thinking about OJ and there you go. You don't have to say that but you don't want to step on the dead either but like I said

when I was a kid I lived in upstate New York I had his football helmet I used to draw on it I remember that I don't know why with a marker and

looked up to that guy till these crimes and then I looked down and

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