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Hey, everyone. Welcome to Dr. Rousha Radio. This is Dr. Rucho. Today, I'm here with Dr.

Mike T. Nelson and Dr. Eric Westman. And we're going to be talking about carbs. And kind of two things I'm hoping to get out of this conversation.

What can people who are doing a very low-carb keto-type diet do if they're not feeling well on that diet, what I've termed kind of a low-carb triage list?

And then also kind of have a, I don't know see, a very friendly debate over the merits and potential

detriments of lower carbon take versus higher carbon take.

And I'm really excited to kind of get the ball rolling here.

And to introduce Dr. Westman, we met at Low Carb USA.

And he asked some really challenging questions when we were both down there.

And so I said, you know what, this would be a good conversation for us to have in front of an audience so that we can all learn something.

And so that's how Eric and I had met.

But Eric, for people who haven't heard of you before, would you please tell us a little bit about your background?

Sure.

So I'm a professor of medicine at Duke University.

I've been at Duke for 28 years now. I'm a clinical researcher. My primary research was in

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