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The Reason Roundtable

Can J.D. Vance Stop a MAGA Civil War?

The Reason Roundtable

The Reason Roundtable

Politics, News

4.51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Plus: Debating marijuana at Turning Point USA, Massie and Khanna threaten Bondi with contempt over Epstein files, and Minnesota’s welfare fraud case.

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0:00.0

What is it like to debate pot legalization at the Turning Point USA conference?

0:12.1

Should J.D. Vance be the future of the Republican Party?

0:14.8

And just how big is the welfare fraud problem in Minnesota and maybe everywhere else?

0:20.5

I'll listen more on today's show.

0:22.0

Welcome to the Reason Roundtable. This is your libertarian review of news and culture from the editors

0:27.0

of Reason magazine. I'm your host, Peter Souterman. And today I am joined by my colleagues,

0:31.7

Catherine Mangy Ward, Matt Welch, and special guest, Eric Bame. Happy holidays, everybody.

0:36.9

Woo. Happy solstice, Peter. Okay. Yeah. Thank you guys. So let's talk about Turning Point USA. The conference

0:43.2

was this weekend and our very own Catherine Mangew Ward was there to debate marijuana

0:48.7

legalization. And I think, Catherine, you won, right? There wasn't like a vote there in the

0:53.8

stadium.

1:01.6

But Donald Trump rescheduled pot this week, which makes legal weed an official MAGA priority, as far as I can tell, right?

1:02.2

What was it like?

1:02.5

Tell us.

1:04.4

I did not win.

1:10.8

One thing that I can report to you from my time at the TV USA conference is that they are all in on drug prohibition. Now, this is partially because the conference itself was this like combination political

1:16.1

rally and like canonization of Charlie Kirk, who obviously was a hugely important figure

1:22.3

and, you know, died since the last one, right?

1:25.8

So this is still very fresh. But, and he was no fan of

1:32.1

marijuana. He made that very clear. He was a big fan of debate, which is why I was there. So

1:37.4

he had, my understanding is this was kind of like his dying wish. Like, this was one of the last things that he was involved in was, oh, we should have some debate.

1:48.4

So there was one on drugs.

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