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🗓️ 4 December 2025
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Nigel Farage wants a “reverse takeover” of the Tory party, but he's not interested in any Reform UK-Conservative Party pact at the next election - could he lure Robert Jenrick to join Reform?
Hugo Rifkind unpacks the politics of the day with Matthew Parris and Juliet Samuel.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day. |
| 0:09.2 | From over-diagnosis in the mental health sector to Nigel Farage's so-called reverse takeover of the Tory party, |
| 0:15.9 | to the question of whether we'll see any reform peers in the House of Lords any time soon. |
| 0:19.7 | And joining me now, let's hope they don't stage a reverse takeover of this podcast. |
| 0:23.6 | It is Matthew Paris. Hello, Matthew. Good morning. Hello, Matthew. And Juliet Samuel. Hello, Juliet. Morning. How are you, Juliet? Long time, no, C. Very well. How are you? Yeah, you're coping? Yep, just about. Good to know. Matthew, how are you? What's your news? Couldn't be better. |
| 0:36.6 | Yeah? |
| 0:37.4 | What's the tea, Matthew Paris? |
| 0:39.5 | The tea? |
| 0:40.2 | It's what the kids say. be better. What's the tea, Matthew Paris? |
| 0:39.4 | The tea? |
| 0:40.2 | It's what the kids say. |
| 0:40.9 | They say, what's the tea? |
| 0:41.6 | Really? |
| 0:41.8 | What does that mean? |
| 0:42.6 | It means like spill the tea. It means what's the gossip. It doesn't mean English breakfast. Yeah, it doesn't mean tea. Well, the llamas are fine. Well, that's good. |
| 0:49.2 | Yes. |
| 0:49.5 | I mean, I'm always very concerned. |
| 0:51.8 | Very concerned about your llamas. |
| 0:53.1 | We've learned that we hate alpacas because they're mean. |
| 0:55.4 | We don't even mention their name. I mean, I'm always very concerned, very concerned about your llamas. We've learned that we hate alpacas because they're mean. |
| 0:55.4 | Yeah, |
| 0:55.4 | we don't even mention their name. Yeah, because they have hair like what? Was Geronimo? Was Geronimo a llama or an alpaca? No, Geronimo was, I'm afraid, an alpaca. But it was still sad. Yeah, I mean, you can tell the difference because the question you ask yourself is, |
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