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🗓️ 3 December 2025
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Kemi Badenoch is on a roll at PMQs, but was she right to keep the focus on what was and wasn't said in the weeks before the Budget?
Hugo Rifkind unpacks the exchanges from the Commons with Gabriel Pogrund and Guto Harri
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| 0:00.0 | PMQ's Unpacked on Times Radio. |
| 0:03.5 | Unpacking the politics and cutting through the crossfire. Yeah, we're going to be unpacking the action from the House of Commons as Kirstama faces questions yet again from Kemi Bedanoch. I'm joined today by the Sunday Times Whitehall Edster, Gabriel Pogrand. Hello, Gabriel. Hello. How are you? Very well, thank you. You've been enjoying your podcast very much. Thank you. |
| 0:21.0 | Yeah. |
| 0:21.3 | I suppose you're many podcasts. Many podcasts you appear on, but your own particular podcast. Yes, we've got it. It's called the state of it. Yes. If you listen to sound radio, you have heard it plugged. Mm-hmm. But we'll keep providing variations on the theme. I'll try weave it into this PMQs in some way or another. |
| 0:38.3 | I'm sure we'll get it in. |
| 0:39.5 | We're also joined variations on the theme. I'll try weave it into this PMQ's in some way or another. |
| 0:38.4 | I'm sure we'll get it in. |
| 0:39.5 | We're also joined by Gitto Harry, Time's Ready presenter, and Downing Street Director, former Downing Street Director of Communications. It was there under Boris Johnson. Hello, Ghetto. Yeah, hi, good to be here. How are you? How are you? It's a great podcast, by the way. it is a good one. |
| 0:51.7 | I mean, |
| 0:51.9 | what's this podcast |
| 0:53.1 | that you're literally |
| 0:53.5 | on now? |
| 0:53.9 | It's not, |
| 0:54.3 | it's not chopped liver. |
| 0:56.9 | Gitter, |
| 0:57.1 | you used to help, |
| 0:57.9 | uh, by the way. It is a good one. I mean, what's this podcast that you're literally on now? It's not chopped liver. |
| 0:57.0 | Gitter, you used to help prepare Boris Johnson for PMQs on a Wednesday. What's going on right now in there? |
| 1:04.0 | Well, right now, because they're saying down. Yeah, well, right now he's on his own, but there's a lot of prep that goes into it. It starts a few days beforehand, |
| 1:15.2 | and then on the day itself, there's literally a sort of role play, and there was this fantastic woman in my day called Leonora, who played the Kirstama figure, and actually we ended every |
| 1:21.4 | session thinking, thank God she's not leader of the opposition, because she was a lot better |
| 1:25.3 | than he is. She was very feisty and so if you, |
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