CAFE Insider Sample 7/5: Investigating Domestic Terrorism (with Joyce Vance & Jim Cavanaugh)

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🗓️ 5 July 2022

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In this special episode of the CAFE Insider podcast, Joyce Vance interviews Jim Cavanaugh. Cavanaugh, a prominent voice in law enforcement, has extensive experience investigating domestic terrorism and white supremacist violence — threats that the FBI has said are on the rise. He spent over 33 years working at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, where he eventually led the Birmingham and Nashville offices as Special Agent in Charge. In this sample from the show, Cavanaugh breaks down the failed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting and explains the capabilities of the AR-15, the gun used in the massacre. In the full episode, Cavanuagh discusses: – The negotiations with cult leader David Koresh during the Waco siege in 1993; – The investigation into the bombing murder of Joyce’s father-in-law, Eleventh Circuit Judge Robert Vance; – The investigation into the Eric Rudolph bombings, which included attacks at an abortion clinic in Alabama and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta; and – Law enforcement’s approach towards domestic terrorism and white supremacist violence. Stay informed. For analysis of the most important legal and political issues of our time, try the membership for one month for $1.00: www.cafe.com/insider. You’ll get access to full episodes of the podcast, and other exclusive benefits. This podcast is brought to you by CAFE Studios and Vox Media Podcast Network. REFERENCES & SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS: 26 U.S. Code Chapter 53 - machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms “No Radio, Old Tactics: How the Police Response in Uvalde Broke Down,” NYT, 6/9/22 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey folks, Joyce Vance here.
0:03.7	On this week's episode of Cafe Insider, I'm joined by my friend Jim Kavanaugh.
0:08.5	Jim has spent his whole career working in law enforcement.
0:11.9	As a prominent voice in the field, I wanted to talk with him today given the failed police
0:16.3	response to the Yvaldi school shooting.
0:19.3	Kavanaugh spent over 33 years working in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
0:24.5	Explosives, including leading the Bureau's Birmingham and Nashville offices as special
0:29.3	agent in charge.
0:31.0	During his time at ATF, Kavanaugh handled many high-profile matters, including negotiating with
0:37.0	Branch Davidian leader David Kuresh during the Waco siege, and investigating the Eric Rudolph
0:42.5	bombings, which included attacks of an abortion clinic in Alabama and the 1996 Olympics in
0:48.7	Atlanta.
0:50.1	Jim is now a law enforcement analyst for NBC News.
0:53.7	Today we're sharing a clip from the interview with listeners of Stay Tune to hear our full
0:58.3	conversation and access all other Cafe Insider content.
1:02.3	Try the membership for just one dollar for one month.
1:05.2	You can do that at cafe.com slash insider.
1:08.9	That's cafe.com slash insider.
1:11.5	We look forward to having you as a part of the insider community.
1:16.5	Well, that's an awfully good segue for us to talk about the recent school shooting in
1:24.8	Newvalde, Texas, where the line commander didn't make the right decisions, made some bad
1:31.8	choices.
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