Every time somebody says you're disenfranchising the black community, the state can come in and say,

no, no, no, we're just disenfranchising people who vote democratic.

If that's a defense, then it makes it very hard to win any case on behalf of the minority community.

The Supreme Court that you and I and the nation have known since the 1950s is over forever.

Okay, it is gone.

Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I'm Matthew Glacias. Here with me again is Ian Milhizer.

We are introducing this is going to be the final episode of the by the people series.

So it's big. You're not going to want to miss this one. What's it, what's it all about?

So I guess a persistent villain in this series has been the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court's done a lot to dismantle voting rights and sadly with a six to three Republican

majority is likely to do a lot more to dismantle voting rights. And so this episode's going to focus

on that. The first half is going to focus on what the Supreme Court has done in the past and what

it's likely to do in the future to our democracy. And then the second half focuses on some potentially

radical solutions like court packing, which could be used to prevent the Supreme Court from dismantling

our free and fair elections. And so who are the guests? What are we going to be learning from?

So the first half is Pam Carlin, who is one of my favorite lawyers and constitutional scholars.

It's really just always a treat to get to talk to Pam. And then the second half I talk with Mark

Joseph Stern, who hovers Supreme Court for slate. And so we've been working together on the same

beat for a really long time now. Okay, cool. I mean, this is a, you know, it's a, it's a sort of

alarming episode because we're getting into into some pretty extreme solutions at the end. But,

you know, you keep hearing about this, right? It's been in both of the debates that I've seen so far.

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