Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Box Media Podcast Network.

I'm Matthew Eclaseus.

I am here with Ezra Klein.

I think what we really want to talk about today is the fiscal stimulus talks that may or

may not be happening and sort of what that means for the American economy, for sort of

the political outlook for next year.

But first, we are recording on Thursday the day after the vice presidential debate.

And I do think we should talk some about it.

I mean, it would be, it would be really weird, I think, occurrence in electoral politics

if a vice presidential debate turned out to be important for the outcome of the election.

That would be a strange thought process on the part of people's minds.

And then I also didn't think that anything particularly noteworthy even happened at the

debate.

I mean, there were no big gaffes by either candidate.

There was no reason anyone who came into it with strong feeling.

Like, hey, I don't think anybody will change their minds and be on the merits.

I don't think anything happened that should cause anyone to change their minds.

Like if you looking around, think Donald Trump is doing a good job, it's not like Kamala

Harris would have talked to you out of that.

Conversely, like if you think he's doing a bad job, Mike Pence is a calmer persona, but

like it is what it is.

But you had a sort of interesting observation about what that sort of like what the dullness

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