People are going for big lives that are unique to them.

It's harder than if you just want to check boxes.

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When I let it out, when I let it out. You are listening to Let It Out with me, your host, Katie Dillbout.

This week, one of my favorite authors and someone who, since she came on the podcast for the first time, has become a dear friend, Kayleen Schaefer.

She's a journalist and the author of the book,

Text Me When You Get Home, which was wildly praised as witty. And one of my favorite texts. I talk

about it all the time. And it really was an impactful book for me. And if you haven't listened to the episode where we

talk about Text Me at length, go back and listen to that with Kailene. We talk about what it was like

when we actually recorded that in person in New York a little bit in this episode, which you'll hear

at the beginning. She also wrote the best selling Kendall's single. It's a memoir about her brother called Fade Out, and I read it prior to that interview.

And I think we talk about it a little bit in that first interview, but I highly recommend reading that if you haven't already.

Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Vanity Fair, The New Yorker, Vogue, and many other publications.

She's an editor and her new book, but you're still so young, is out now. It follows eight

people struggling to make the leap into adulthood in some way. I just finished it before we did

this interview and as you'll hear me say over and over again,

I like the New York Times had a glowing review of this book. She uses this checklist that sociologists

in the 1950s came up with, which was finish school, leave home, make your own money, marry, and become a parent.

And those are the markers of becoming an adult in your 30s. And we cover each of these and how

race and class and privilege play into all of this and our ability to and our desire to meet

these arbitrary checklists. And she weaves together the stories of

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