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Mayo Clinic's Aging Forward, new episodes other week, wherever you get your podcasts. Folks, my new graphic novel, Unwanted, a tall tale of the Old West and New Wave, is out for pre-order. Now, I've been working on this for 25 years. It's a dark comedy with a shiny exterior. Please check it out at unwantedbook.com. Good afternoon, Michael Malis here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. You guys are in for a lot of fun. We are talking to one of my absolute favorite people, special mongon service, talk to Bucksext, co-host of Clay and Bucks. You've seen him everywhere. There is in right of center circles. Bucks, you have a new book called Manufacturing Delusion. What is the subtitle? How the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination, and propaganda against you. See, we're gonna have a fun discussion because I think I disagree a little bit with the premise, but I would love to hear more about the framing. Look, the basic idea here is like, what is it that makes people so crazy? Like, how is it that we had a mass hysteria during COVID were 90% of doctors and scientists and they were all so obviously wrong and they were so full of shit and the whole thing was absurd like what happened here and okay that's not really just limited to that that was just kind of the broad spectrum view of it like what is what is another of this or where else? And I would argue in smaller moments in time or smaller movements, but whether it's BLM or like climate change, catastrophism, the transgender stuff, I have a whole bunch of things. There are just delusions that people become very set on. And there's a lot of this, right? I mean, you could come up with a very, very long list.

I just focused on some of them.

Said, well, where is it that we have seen historically,

the idea that you can force people into delusions?

Now, whether it's truly just through forests

or they just decide that they're actually going to say what you want them to say with that believing it. I mean that's always a tough thing too. That's always a tough thing to parse. But no, I went back and I looked at the earliest fuel mind control experiments in a sense. It's not really mind control, but the origins of behavioral conditioning and Pavlov and then look at and there's like this famous story with Pavlov doesn't really involve him and involve some of his subjects, the dogs. And if you're a dog lover, you don't really want to know very much about what Pavlov really did to the dogs unfortunately. It was bad. It was bad. I am a dog lover. There was no ASPCA back then in, in you know, the Russia-slash early Soviet Union. But there were all these dogs that were kept in this lab and there was a flood. It was when it was like a sledding grad, St. Petersburg, it could change the name a few times. The dogs were traumatized by this. So much so that their conditioning was wiped away and that they had major changes in behavior from the trauma of slowly but surely as the water is rising and lab thinking that they're all going to drown in these cages. And that sparked a whole lot of interest and pursuit of trying to figure out ways that you could direct this or you could make people. I mean, it leads directly to, or rather, this idea, you have the new Soviet man, you have Maoist thought reform, which people we call brainwashing, because of Edward Hunter, but it's really thought reform in China and a very systematized process. And I get to some of the historical places where this has been like the term codes out of North Korea, these Americans who were going on radio and going on media and saying that they did terrible things in Korea that we didn't actually do. Anyway, I get it some of the cult stuff and sort of take it through to the modern, what the hell is going on around here?

Why are people so insane?

So that's the basic idea for the book.

And yeah, I thought I sent you, I thought I sent you.

Did I send you the PDF?

No.

Well, then I will have to send you the PDF.

I read your book.

How do I put PDF?

I want to sign copy.

I like it.

I'll sign copy. You have your having on your show. I have to say it's very it's very high praise when I was going through with my PR team

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