Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the bar. It's bitch number one, Christy.

And bitch number two, Kelly.

And we have a very special guest today. We have Chad Culchin. Did I say that right?

Yes, you did.

From Game of Roses. You are one of the hosts of that podcast, which we were just talking. I listened to years ago when I was still like on the bachelor, when I was when I was an active bachelor watcher, but then I was ashamed to tell you I fell off. I think a lot of people did. I think right around the time, Jen Tran looked at Jesse Palmer and said, do I have a choice when he played back her proposal to

Devon Strader? That was the nail in the coffin for a lot of people, I think. So, no shame in

ditching the Bachelor franchise. But you guys have really pivoted and you cover a lot of reality now.

Yeah. I mean, our bread and butter is still, I think, kind of the dating shows. Sure. Love Wine, Love Island, all those things that are at least presented as we're just helping

people find our soulmates.

But to us, they're sports that can be manipulated.

Players can be trained, infiltrate those franchises, so on and so forth.

And so I've been doing that for the past four years or so, infiltrating each of these franchises with my little players. Yeah, that's crazy. So, Kelly, before you jumped on, Chad was telling me, and I think this is okay to talk about, if not, we'll take it out. You've actually had people that you've talked with that have gone on to be on these shows that you've trained, to like go on go deep and dare I say win I mean there's a lot of different metrics that could be winning you know what I mean but yeah I basically what I do is like people hit me up if they are at some part of the casting process or sometimes they'll hit me up even before that.

I've done everything from help people write their applications to cut their videos,

all the way up to making like deep end run strategies, coming up with limo entrances,

running scenarios about like, here's how to get out of a villain edit.

Here's a producer you definitely want to watch out for.

If they assign this producer to you, you are fucked. That kind of. We know a few of those villain edit. Here's a producer you definitely want to watch out for if they assign this producer to you, you are fucked.

That kind of.

We know a few of those.

Yes.

Yes, we do.

They're like, we will sell your soul for $4.

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