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The Man Enough Podcast

Bridging the Gender Gap: Empowering Young Men & Championing Equality with Richard Reeves

The Man Enough Podcast

Wayfarer Studios LLC

Education, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 April 2023

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Brookings Institution scholar and author Richard Reeves tackles the issue of young men falling behind, and how to uplift them without jeopardizing women's rights. In this compelling and personal conversation, Richard delves into his book, "Of Boys and Men," revealing insights on the growing education gap, the push for men in care professions, and the quest for examples of "non-toxic" masculinity that differ from traditional femininity. Join us as we discuss redefining gender roles, fostering equality, and reevaluating the term "toxic masculinity" all together. New episodes every Monday 🎙️ Special video clips each week on https://youtube.com/WeAreManEnough Sign up for the Man Enough newsletter to get full video episodes and positive masculinity news every Monday: http://manenough.com/newsletter The Man Enough Podcast is produced by Wayfarer Studios and presented by Procter and Gamble, in partnership with Cadence13, an Audacy company. Timecodes: 0:00 Richard started to see his own masculinity as the problem 09:21 Richard’s wife challenged him to reclaim the positivity of his masculinity 15:50 Ending zero sum thinking in feminism, making equality erotic 28:40 Why we can’t call what’s happening to boys “inequality” 36:09 How are studies of boys and men taking boys of color into account? 46:26 Who benefits from Andrew Tate’s platform and others like him? 52:55 Working class and middle class men are doing the worst 1:00:00 Why Dads Matter 01:15:32: Justin’s book’s success made Richard feel “not enough” 01:19:18 What does it mean to be Man Enough? Quotes: “I had thought that in order to be a good feminist I needed to become less…I think that’s a part of a larger societal challenge that we need to rise together, we don’t need one sex to become less for the other to become more.” - Richard Reeves “How do we make equality erotic?” - Richard Reeves “I have yet to find anybody that can define non-toxic masculinity in a way that is distinct from femininity.” - Richard Reeves “It’s incredibly early in a revolution, we’ve had half a revolution if that, in terms of gender.” - Richard Reeves About Richard Reeves: Richard Reeves is a Brookings Institution scholar and renowned author and social commentator, known for his insightful analysis of contemporary social issues, particularly those affecting boys and men in today's rapidly changing world. Read Of Boys And Men In Of Boys and Men Richard Reeves explores the changing dynamics between men and boys in contemporary society. The book calls for greater understanding, support, and intervention to help them overcome these obstacles and build a more equitable and successful future. Guest Social Links: Twitter: :@RichardvReeves Guest Host: Christopher Rivas Christopher Rivas is an actor, author, podcaster, and storyteller. He is the host of two podcast series with SiriusXM's Stitcher: Brown Enough, and Rubirosa. On screen, Rivas is known for his work on the Fox series, Call Me Kat. He has recently released his first book Brown Enough, which explores what it means to be Brown in America. Man Enough book: https://manenough.com/books Boys Will Be Human book: https://boyswillbehuman.com FOLLOW THE HOSTS: Liz Plank https://instagram.com/feministabulous https://tiktok.com/@lizplank https://facebook.com/feministabulous https://twitter.com/feministabulous http://www.elizabethplank.com/ Jamey Heath https://instagram.com/jamey_heath_ https://tiktok.com/@jameyheath https://twitter.com/jamey_heath_ https://facebook.com/jameyjaz http://www.jameyheath.com/ Christopher Rivas: https://www.instagram.com/christopher__rivas https://twitter.com/chris__rivas https://podcasts.apple.com › podcast › brown-enough Special Offer Thank you to ShipStation for supporting our show! Get a 60-day free trial at https://www.shipstation.com/manenough #boys #men #masculinity #feminism #inequality #psychology #mentalhealth Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Coming up on man enough.

0:02.0

So my wife and I were in couples therapy.

0:05.0

She said something that was a pivotal point for me.

0:09.0

She said, you've always been feminist enough.

0:11.0

The problem is that you're not masculine enough. I had thought

0:15.3

that in order to be like a good partner and a good feminist and a good ally and

0:21.6

good husband in the modern world,

0:23.0

I somehow had to shrink myself.

0:25.0

I had to become less.

0:26.0

I wasn't engaging when there was an equal.

0:28.0

I was actually retreating.

0:29.0

And I think that's part of a broader societal challenge

0:32.0

is that we need to rise together. We don't need one sex to become

0:35.5

less for the other to become more. Zero-sum thinking is the enemy.

0:42.0

Being man enough, what does that mean?

0:45.0

It's really manly to mess up, admit you're wrong, and then grow.

0:48.0

I couldn't accept that I was evil, so maybe I'm broken.

0:52.0

But those broken things could be corrected.

0:54.0

Intimacy between a father and a son is me just wanting to like, put my head of your lap.

0:58.0

I love you son.

1:00.0

You haven't called me a benevolent sexist, but my experience is women are better.

1:04.8

Even if it's a positive, it's still not equality.

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