All right, Brian, welcome to the Man Talk Show. How you doing today?

Connor, I'm thrilled to be here. Best podcast name ever. Man Talks, let's go. Right, I know. I like very,

the book that I wrote is called Men's Work. And so I joke around that I like

blunt force marketing, you know, just like hit people over the head with what it's all about.

And so, yeah, we're going to, we're just going to be two men doing some talking today.

Right on, dude. Love it, man. Thanks for having me.

Of course, of course. So fun fact, I've actually, I think like 10, 11 years ago,

when I started my company, I found your work. I didn't tell you this before we got on the show,

but I found your work like over a decade ago. And it's been so interesting to see the sort of

evolution of what you created with these, you know, through lines that have connected you and, you know, how your life has sort of changed and influenced your work. And so, yeah, so I'm really, I'm looking forward to this conversation. I think we're going to dive into some, some cool areas today. They're going to serve a lot of people that tune into the show. But where we always start, where I'd like to start with you is tell us a story about a defining moment in your life that made you who you are today. Yeah, and you'd kind of give me the little advanced heads up of, all right, I'm going to ask those questions. And my mind those already. Well, there's so many, you know, and there's different facets in my life that I can talk about. I'll go to, because you found my work 10 11 years ago, my guess is you found the philosopher's notes. Is that right? That's correct, yeah. Yeah, so I'll just go to that moment. So I had sold my second business at that time. I'm with my now wife on a pre-honeymoon trip, and I think we ended our engagement, then did it again, then got married. So we got divorced before we got married was our joke, which could you help the thing. But I'm on a flight from Tokyo to L.A. I open a Sky Mall magazine. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do after selling my second business. What am I going to do? I got enough to take a little time to figure it out.

And I opened up to a company that did summaries of business books. Two-page spread. What do we? I just opened it straight to there. And it was one of those epiphanal moments of, oh, cool, I'll do that for self-development books. lot of people were doing that. It was an, you know, exciting moment for me. And I've had a number of

epiphanal moments like that. development books. Before a lot of people were doing that, it was an exciting moment for me. And I've

had a number of epiphanal moments like that in different aspects of my life that I've learned to

trust and then go all in on it. But that was one that changed my life. I was going to say something

else, but given our connection to the notes, I'll go with that one. No, that's solid, man. That's

that's solid. I like that with that one. No, that's solid, man. That's that's solid.

I like that following the gut, following the intuition or like these epiphany moments,

I've definitely had a number of those. I would probably say that that the name for my company in my book was sort of that, like it wasn't a lot of like brainstorming and ideating. It was just like,

oh, man, it talks. That's what we're doing. You know, that's what guys are here to do. I like that because I think sometimes we as men can get over-analytical, you know, we can over-index on the rationalizing, rationalizing of like, is that the right choice? Is that what I should really be doing?

And we have these epiphanies like you're talking about. And then we cripple them with overthinking and analyzing whether or not that's the right thing. Did you have any of that rise up after

you had that epiphany of like, oh, I should go do that? Or like, how did you handle that that notion? Because that's a, that's a big thing to come to contact with. Yeah. I mean, to me, the answer is almost always yes, and yes, and yes, you know, that this, this, even the intuition, you know, you can overthink it, but you can also underthink it. So there's that beautiful dance, you know, of, for me, it's been learning

to trust those deep, deep intuitive hits. And there's a difference between, oh, maybe, and no,

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