I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of the

most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time, taking time to be more fully present.

Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right

now.

And to part two of our conversation. So this is what I love. I mean, I think on the back

of the book, an atlas of the heart, Brown takes us on a journey through 87 of the emotions

and experiences that define what it means to be human. As she maps the necessary skills

and an actionable framework for meaningful connection, she gives us the language and

tools to access a universe of new choices and second chances, a universe where we can

share and steward the stories of our bravest and most heartbreaking moments with one another

in a way that builds connection. And what is it you are hoping that people will then be

able to do with those second chances?

You know, the whole book. I've been thinking about this a lot. So I think of the book as

kind of a trilogy. I think of it as in the beginning, it's the case. It's a little bit

of my story and it's the case for the importance of language. The middle section of the book

is an exploration of 87 human experiences and emotions. The last section of the book,

to me, is maybe where the, I feel like is the greatest contribution, which is I have been

working on this damn framework for cultivating connection with ourselves and each other

for 22 years. It started as my dissertation research, but I couldn't figure it out.

I thought when I wrote the gifts of imperfection, I had it figured out. I didn't. I thought

I had it with daring greatly and braving the wilderness. I didn't. And then I thought,

actually, I resigned myself to never being able to build a framework. I just, it wasn't

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