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Woo, look at you. Hi. Good to see you again. It's nice to see you too always.

Well, you know the first conversation that you and I had together back it was 2013 was also the first episode we posted on our Super Soul podcast and somebody just told me one of the producers just told me that before we started that that's been listened to you know one and two.

And then we're going to talk about how it's going to be over 4.2 million downloads on that so it just says to me how.

What you're saying and the content you're putting out into the world. I think what it says is that people are hungry for this kind of of of information.

Not only that's still trying. Yeah, yeah, no, still trying you have done it again with Atlas of the heart. How do you keep doing it? I do not know. I would have to say this is a beautiful book. This is a hefty book. It feels you know I love a book book.

And even when they had sent me to PDF this book, I said can somebody please.

Yeah, somebody just get me this is whoever did this cover give them a round of applause because I just yeah many times when back in the day when I was choosing book clubs I would just go through you know a bookstore just browsing browsing browsing and I often chose books by their cover certainly you are interested by the cover.

This is such an amazing cover. Thank you so much and there was there was a team from global prairie it was a big collaboration.

We really wanted it to capture what was on the inside. Yes, mapping meaningful connection and the language of human experience, which is a hard thing to tackle but I may I say you all have done it in such an accessible way that it feels like you're speaking our language.

This is the essence which we're trying to do. I love how you start with with with with the epigraph from roomy heart is see language is sure.

So how do you interpret language is sure and is that the idea at the heart of this book.

It's like no matter what I'm doing there's a roomy quote for it heart is see language is sure whatever see includes will hit the shore.

To me what that means is our heart is this sea of expansiveness of emotion of experience and at some point that emotion and experience needs to bump into language.

Yes and language therefore is the sure it's the it's the stabilizer.

Yeah, I went into this with a love of language. I had no idea I mean zero idea as much to research as I've done.

What language means to us as a social species I just did not understand.

And so you came out of it understanding what because you describe languages finding the right words and gestures to communicate experience to as as a kind of life jacket.

I love that.

Yeah, it's a kind of life jacket.

Well imagine this maybe 15 years ago we collected survey research from right over 7,000 people and we asked them this question.

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