Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. I'm super excited about this.

Truly great songwriters are an incredibly rare thing.

I was going to say commodity, but I don't consider,

I don't even like songs to be commodified

and I think songwriting is an unbelievable craft and also sort of a magical gift and

Brandy Clark has written some of the best songs of the last long number of years.

To me, she's in a tradition of songwriters like Towns Van Zandt, Dolly Parton, and is as good as they come.

And her songs are popular in their time too which is with

towns wasn't always the case brandy thanks for being here oh thank you and

thanks for that I mean can I take you on the road with me that was a really nice intro?

Well you know I I rarely say yes when I'm pitched for a podcast but like your manager

or somebody like sent like we're like would you be

interested in this and I said yes so quickly because I'm fascinated by songwriting

and I asked a couple people what makes you great and I so I asked Darius

Rucker I was like why would you want to write with with Brandy Darius is my my pal and he said I'm dying to write with her

because she's so real and her voice makes you believe.

And I asked Shane, who I know is you're like besty,

what it is.

And he said, she's the world's best listener.

Everyone who works with her feels heard.

I could talk for hours about her empathy and her soul.

I love her.

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