Bonus: Lee Lai
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 15 December 2025
⏱️ 24 minutes
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Summary
Tuck chats with cartoonist Lee Lai (she/her) about gossip, projection, emotional journalism, toxic relationship dynamics, annoying transmascs, the hazards of being overly self-reliant, and more.
Listen to the full episode on Patreon to hear discussions of puberty 4, comic-reading etiquette, she/her mustache, maladaptive trans coping mechanisms, creative dialogue bubbles, and whether hormones physically relocate your feelings in your body.
Find Lee Lai at lee-lai.cargo.site, on IG @_leelai, and on Patreon.
Find Tuck on book tour in Portland on Dec 19! (For real this time.) RSVP here.
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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: Blue Dot Sessions
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. I'm your host, and resident gender detective. I'm a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:22.1 | I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuck Woodstock. |
| 0:33.5 | Hey, everyone. I hope you've all been hanging in there. At this point, I'm sure you're familiar with |
| 0:38.2 | Gender Conceal, our monthly bonus podcast that we make exclusively for patrons. Last month on |
| 0:43.1 | gender conceal, I had the true pleasure of chatting with cartoonist Lee Lai. Lee is the author of two |
| 0:48.9 | beautiful graphic novels. You've probably heard of her first book, which is called Stone Fruit. |
| 0:53.6 | Her most recent book |
| 0:54.7 | is called Canon and came out earlier this year. And what you need to know for this interview is that |
| 0:59.5 | canon is a book about the relationship between the titular Canon, who is a queer person who works as a chef, |
| 1:06.1 | and her friend Trish, who is some kind of like auto fiction author girly. I recommend both books wholeheartedly. |
| 1:13.1 | I'm really excited for you to hear us talk about them. I'm excited for you to read them if you haven't |
| 1:16.9 | yet. Today on the show, you will hear an extended excerpt from my chat with Lee. And if you'd like to hear |
| 1:22.3 | the full hour-long episode, you can sign up for the gender conceal podcast feed at patreon.com slash gender. |
| 1:29.6 | When you do that, you get access to almost 50 gender conceal episodes for just $5. |
| 1:35.7 | But first, just a reminder, I have a book event scheduled in Portland on December 19th at 7 p.m. |
| 1:41.1 | This event is free, but it's about to be overcapacity. So if you would like to come, |
| 1:45.3 | you should RSVP for sure. The RSVP link is girldadpress.com slash tour. This event is taking |
| 1:51.5 | place that always hear books. I'll be in conversation with Sex Change and the City contributor |
| 1:55.9 | Connor Reid, who is so funny and smart. I love him. I can't wait for us to be in conversation and for you to be |
| 2:01.6 | there. Again, RSP link, girldadpress.com slash tour. Here is my conversation with Lelie. |
| 2:14.3 | Lelai is an Australian cartoonist living in Joke Jage, |
| 2:19.4 | colonially known as Montreal, Canada. |
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