Episode 193: Barry Lee
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.7 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 8 December 2025
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
Tuck chats with artist Barry Lee (they/them). Topics include:
- Creating an oracle deck that doesn't shy away from difficult emotions
- Why Barry has moved away from mural-painting (and bisexuality lol)
- The toxic positivity and individualism of mainstream self-help tools
- Eugenics, limited autonomy, and other enemies of trans & disabled people
- Plus: Atlanta, Keith Haring, Strega Nona, noses, and queer Muppets
Find Barry @barryleeart and barryleeart.com.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Gender Appeal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:22.4 | I'm your host and resident gender detective, tuck what stock. |
| 0:34.1 | Hey everyone, I hope you've all been hanging in there. |
| 0:36.7 | Today on the show, I am very excited to share my conversation with Atlanta artist Barry Lee. In this episode, Barry talks about the Oracle Deck and Journal that they recently created. They talk about Keith Herring, The Muppets, and Tarasso flooring. And they also talk about reclaiming bodily autonomy, not being bisexual anymore, and developing |
| 0:56.8 | self-help tools that don't bypass difficult emotions. |
| 1:01.1 | We should use mindfulness practices as a way to move through pain instead of ignoring it. |
| 1:09.2 | Before we get to all that, I just wanted to let you know there will be a Sex Change and the City |
| 1:12.9 | book event in Portland, Oregon on December 19th. For real this time, I will be in conversation |
| 1:18.6 | with my good friend Connor Reed, who wrote an incredible piece for sex change in the city. |
| 1:23.5 | Connor and I met at Portland Monthly Magazine 1 million years ago. We both live in Brooklyn now, |
| 1:28.7 | and I am so excited for us to reunite in Portland at Always Here Bookstore on December 19th at 7 p.m. |
| 1:35.0 | You can RSVP for free at girldadpress.com slash tour, and this event will hit capacity, I guarantee it. |
| 1:41.9 | So RSVP now, why not? GirlDadpress.com slash tour. |
| 1:47.3 | We also still have copies of both Sex Change on the City and Two TransDi Furious available in |
| 1:52.1 | the Girl Dad Press shop for any of your holiday shopping needs. I can write little messages to whoever |
| 1:58.0 | upon request. Also, while supplies last, all orders of sex change in the |
| 2:02.4 | city come with a free full-color print of what we are calling Mr. Biggs phalloplasty Emporiums. |
| 2:08.3 | You'll get to see it in its full-color glory, and I really do recommend getting one of those. |
| 2:12.9 | Those are awesome. And speaking of full-color posters, someone recently wrote in and asked for a Two Trans2 |
| 2:20.0 | Two Furious cover poster. That is to say, a big print of Vin Diesel turning into a car. And I |
| 2:26.6 | realize I should put those in the shop too. So I'm going to put some posters in there as well. Again, |
| 2:30.5 | that's all at girldadpress.bigartel.com or you can get to it by going to this is trans. |
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