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This is Lindsay Smith Rogers.

Today, criticism of public health during the pandemic coming from a prominent leader in the field.

Dr. Sandro Galea is the dean of the Boston University School of Public Health,

an author of a new book entitled Within Reason, A Liberal Public Health for an Illiberal Time.

In today's episode, he speaks with, and at times, debates Dr. Josh Sharfstein

about his view of where public health went wrong. Let's listen. Dr. Sandro Galea, thank you so much

for joining me here on Public Health on Call to talk about your new book, which is called Within

Reason, a liberal Public Health for in a

liberal time. And I want to ask first why you wanted to write a book about politics and public health.

First of all, thank you for having me, Josh. It's great to be here. I think I want to write a book

because I care deeply about public health. And I have

written other books about public health. And I have tried to always think about where should we

be nudging public health. And I think I did that. My very first book about public health broadly was

called Healthier. That was about eight years ago now. And, you know, at the time,

I felt it was important for public health to be open to embracing the full range of issues, structural

racism and gender inequity that I thought were important parts of public health. And my thinking has

evolved and built on those topics. And I think at this moment in time, I felt it was important to write

a book about the perhaps

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