Hello, wonderful listeners. This is Katie in freezing cold Paris. I hope you're wrapped up warm wherever you are.

I don't know if you've had time yet to listen to this week's episode, Making Peace with the Walls.

But if you have, you'll have heard our guest, Alexandra Pascalidu, the Greek-Swedish journalist,

telling the incredible story of how she met up with a former neo-Nazi who'd been sending her abuse for years and years and how she decided to forgive him.

This is our full conversation with Alexandra. We just ended up talking about so many different

things that we thought we dish it up to you as our first ever bonus episode. So, if you're

interested in what makes the Swedish far right tick, if you're interested in European identity,

if you're interested in Eurovision even, it's definitely worth a listen.

As with the shorter version in this week's main episode, we just wanted to warn you that it does include a discussion of some pretty horrible threats made against Alexandra.

But honestly, I challenge you not to come out of listening to this, actually feeling a tiny bit more hopeful about humanity.

Hello. Hello. Good morning. Hi, Alexandra. How are you? I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm trying to be

fine. I'm fine. But it's okay. How are you doing? Listen, we're both also a little bit of sick.

We can take sneezing breaks every couple of minutes.

And where are you?

Are you based in Paris or where are you?

I'm in Paris and Dominic is in Amsterdam.

Oh my God.

What a European podcast.

Well, it does what it says on the team.

I know.

And we thought you were the perfect guest because you have such a pan-European background as well.

I really do. I really do. And I love Europe, even if there are some problems here and there.

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