Hello, Winevers. My name is Jesse Meekam, and this is a special podcast episode for Wineb,

where we teach you four rules to help you stop within paycheck to paycheck, get out of debt and save more money.

Today I'm talking with John Dale, a family man, an entrepreneur who budgeted for a long time before he found Wineb and actually got control of his money.

John is one of the success stories featured in my new book

Absolutely titled You Need a Budget and just one of the reasons I think the book will help you fall in love with budgeting all over again

or maybe for the first time. Here we go with John.

Okay I'm here with John. John was featured in the upcoming book You You Need a Budget, and has a pretty amazing story.

So, John, welcome to the show.

Thanks, thanks for inviting me to be part of this.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm particularly excited to share your story. for inviting me to be part of this. Yeah, absolutely.

I'm particularly excited to share your story

because it's not just, there's just more elements to it

than what we normally see with people like I paid off a lot of debt

or, you know, I cut expenses to the bone and

got rid of credit cards yours is a little different so maybe give people a brief

background on who you are family situation and then yeah kind of give us the backstory.

Yeah great so married four kids.

Our oldest kid Anna is 18 goes all the way down to Aspen who's 10.

And yeah, I guess a little bit of the backstory, I'm sort of a serial entrepreneur.

And so over the last 20 years I've had a variety of

different companies and businesses some have done really well some not so well and

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