For me, it was also important to think politically about this, which is like, what can

debility galvanize if we all understand ourselves in some relation to debility?

And it's not contingent upon a self-other binarization of disabled, non-disabled.

There's no pure debility and there's no pure capacity, right?

That we are, as bodies, kind of moving in and out of these realms all the time. Welcome to the Death Panel.

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and follow us at death panel underscore so today jules and i have a really special interview for you

jesbier poir author of the truly path-breaking books terrorist assemblages homo nationalism in queer times

originally published in 2007 and the right to maim,

debility, capacity, disability, also published by Duke University Press in 2017.

Now, I think people often overuse the word pathbreaking, like a kind of buzzword when you want

to say that something is really important, but Jisbeer's work is truly path-breaking.

This is not an exaggeration, and I'm not just saying this to be nice. I am very hardcore,

serious about this. And I'm honored to have her here today to join us in discussion so that the three

of us can revisit her book, The Right to Mame. Jizbeer, welcome to the death panel. It's so

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