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excludes plug-in hybrids, Delantis Financial Services. Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Ellie Cawthorne.

In today's episode, you'll be hearing from the author and social historian Stephen Bourne.

Stephen's latest book, Under Fire, Black Britain in wartime, explores the experiences of black people in Britain between 1939 and 45.

Our production editor, Spencer Mizan, called him to find out more.

Stephen, you're a new book, Under Fire, Black Britain in War Time, documents the experiences

of black citizens on the home front and in the services during the Second World War.

Now, just to give our listeners a little context, how many people are we talking about here?

And where did they hail from?

I would answer this. I've said this in the introduction to the book.

We'll never know what the numbers are.

Statistics in relation to black people in Britain,

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