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BIRTH OF OCEANIA 4/4: Voyagers: The Settlement of the Pacific; Nicholas Thomas, author, @MAACambridge.

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🗓️ 31 July 2023

⏱️ 7 minutes

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BIRTH OF OCEANIA 4/4: Voyagers: The Settlement of the Pacific; Nicholas Thomas, author, @MAACambridge.

https://www.amazon.com/Voyagers-Settlement-Pacific-Nicholas-Thomas/dp/1541619838
An award-winning scholar explores the sixty-thousand-year history of the Pacific islands in this dazzling, deeply researched account.

The islands of Polynesia, Melanesia, and Micronesia stretch across a huge expanse of ocean and encompass a multitude of different peoples. Starting with Captain James Cook, the earliest European explorers to visit the Pacific were astounded and perplexed to find populations thriving thousands of miles from continents. Who were these people? From where did they come? And how were they able to reach islands dispersed over such vast tracts of ocean?

In Voyagers, the distinguished anthropologist Nicholas Thomas charts the course of the seaborne migrations that populated the islands between Asia and the Americas from late prehistory onward. Drawing on the latest research, including insights gained from genetics, linguistics, and archaeology, Thomas provides a dazzling account of these long-distance migrations, the seagoing technologies that enabled them, and the societies they left in their wake

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History that just sits there and makes you laugh is like the game of thrones or trying to figure out the world by reading Greek history. All right. Here we go.

0:40.0

It's a map, not quite a map constructed by two pi a r. I say that incorrectly. Professor forgive me. What are we looking at because you reproduce it in your book.

0:52.0

On course first voyage the ships spent several months of the island of Tahiti and the British developed close relationships with a host of islanders.

1:07.0

It wasn't one of these passing encounters where they exchanged a few things or interacted violently. It was a sustained interaction.

1:16.0

And one of the most extraordinary aspects of this interaction was that to hire who was a priest, a navigator, a political player in the dynamics of the Tahitian kingdoms at that time.

1:31.0

He was clearly extremely interested in these people who had appeared from beyond the known universe at that particular time.

1:40.0

He was interested in why they were there and what they were doing. So he spent a great deal of time with Joseph Banks and with Cook.

1:49.0

And when time came for the ship to depart, he wanted to join the voyage. He took a young boy a servant with him and his interest was in visiting England and learning what he could about a society that he knew nothing about before.

2:09.0

Cook of course was very interested in the geography of the Pacific. They were clearly islands that had never been visited by Europeans.

2:21.0

He clearly made inquiries of Tupaya. He tried to learn as much as he could from him. A number of the British had some grasp of Tahitian they could communicate.

2:36.0

Tupaya obviously witnessed Cook drawing charts. He witnessed the charts that we used on a daily basis in navigation and he produced a map, a kind of chart, a diagram as his contribution to this ongoing inquiry.

2:56.0

And that is an extraordinary image of many many islands in Polynesia, in the Pacific, that Tupaya knew about.

3:07.0

And some of those islands are their names that are very easy to recognize and are well known Polynesian names today in the wider group of the society islands and in neighboring archipelagos.

3:21.0

Other islands are harder to identify and consequently there's been an enormous range of debate that started in fact not long after the return of courtships that has carried on especially more recently.

3:43.0

It is concerned really to make sense to interpret the clearly extraordinary knowledge that Tupaya had of the geography of the Pacific and understand exactly what the chart itself represents.

3:59.0

Because the chart is not a map as we understand it if I read you correctly. It may be a series of high of island names that are a way of remembering or indicating to another generation. Is that how to regard this? Is this a piece of professor teaching?

4:20.0

Yes, it's a it's a diagrammatic representation and some islands are clearly clustered.

4:29.0

It's not considered a sort of representation of traditional knowledge. It's seen rather as something quite remarkable Tupaya saw that Europeans were making maps.

4:41.0

So that he made something that looked like a map that set out his understanding of a range of islands is possible that some of the islands that are connected as it were by direction reflect customary understandings that you might go first to this place and then to this place and then beyond.

5:09.0

It's certainly the case that he had voyaged widely himself. He had probably been to archipelago's distant from the society islands. He may have been as far as the Tongan islands himself.

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