If they'd have known that the FBI refused to play one of.

They'd have known that the FBI supervisor of the case that worked on it for three and a half years

had been suspended and the same prosecutors were prosecuted in me were

describing him as being so dishonest that they couldn't put him on a witness stand

if they'd have known that Phil Mikkelson had given two interviews to the FBI and emphatically told them

that I did not give him inside information if they'd have known those three things

when they went back there to decide my fate well they have still found me guilty.

My guest today once said that he's learned more from sinners than from Saints.

And that guest happens to be Billy Walters. He's just written a new bestseller called

Gambler. Secrets from a life at risk, folks. The man has lived at all everywhere from placing multi multi million dollar bets not just on sports and other things but also on himself for example on the golf course

But he also spent time in prison he also lost a child while he was in prison.

Fascinating interview. I think you'll enjoy it. And Billy, thanks for coming on.

Billy Walters, thanks for doing this.

Oh, it's my pleasure.

I have been following this story for longer than you can imagine, right?

And, you know know it for me had I think it's really three things

that stuck out or resonated with me you, growing up in the South without any money, without a father figure.

A shared passion for the game of golf, which of course crosses over into the likes of Nicholson and associations like that.

And a man that as I've followed just by reading the press which of course you know probably we were reading too much more than we should have been given

access to through the press.

Just a man pursued forever by the federal government.

And so I've been in those cross areas before,

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